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https://looksmax.org/threads/complete-evisceration-of-iq-cope-iq-copers-wont-touch-this.1722392/
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Studies I reference will be provided at the bottom, after the TL;DR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFS4zYWxzNA
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During my time on this forum, there is one cope that keeps coming up, and that is the Idea that IQ is the most important aspect of life. Not only
will I show in this thread that this is not nearly the case, but I will also proof how it's not even in the top 10 most important variables in this life.
Before the cope comes in, No, it's not "the most important variable besides looks."
No, it's not important because "you need high IQ to looksmax," that's retarded.
There are 3 main reasons why someone on this forum might cope about IQ.
- A complete over evaluation of it's effects
- Because they have nothing else
And a third, which we will discuss in this post, but first, let's start off small.
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There are countless studies proving the fact we all know, the more attractive and healthy you look, the more intelligent you look, regardless of if
you are actually intelligence or not. This can make a lasting impact in your life, more so than having high IQ. Many of you will ask, why would I want to make people think I'm smart instead of actually being smart?
The trajectory of your life is like a bullet trying to shoot a target from a thousand miles away, even a 1 degree deviation off-course can make it miss completely, and the strongest deviator of all is how people treat you.
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Which young boy and girl would you bet has higher IQ than the other?
The boy and girl on the right look dull. The top right (2) one looks like he's destined to become a sports-team worshiping construction worker,
and the bottom right (4) looks like a 1800s Victorian peasant who's destined to plow the fields until an alcoholic husband comes and marries her
away.
The biggest correlator on whether or not you will get good grades in a given subject apart from time spent studying is whether or not you actually like it. Teachers will spend more time helping the kids on the left (1, 3) with their incorrect answers than the right (2, 4), and will give them more positive reinforcement,resulting them having a not so organic interest in their academics.
When the ones on the right gets incorrect answers, they will think "well that's just how he/she is."
And, as a result, when they are not so interested in their academics, both they and the people around them will think that's just how they naturally are.
This stacked up over even the first 20 years of their lives will completely change them. And will create more of a difference than whether or not they actually had a 1 in 20 IQ [125iq, + assuming kids on the left are 1 in 20 facial attractiveness. I.E. in a class of 40, they would both be top 2 best looking.
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It is true that comparing the 16th percentile and 84th percentile of IQ and Looks, the 16th percentile for IQ will be making less money on average than the 16th percentile for looks, and the 84th percentile of
IQ will be making more money than the 84th percentile of looks. This will make it seem like IQ completely mogs looks in it's impact on income. But this is actually not the case.
You will see that once the wage percentile reaches 95%, IQ starts to plateau and even begins to dip. [remember, data from almost 60,000 men, so no coping that this dip is not super correlative, this would only be
the case if number of participants was like 400] For reference, it's known that High Tier Normie [6/10] is the top 5% of men, as proven by dating app data, as this is when you start actually getting a quantifiable result from your facial attractiveness.
Imagine if people's success in dating apps went up and up and up as your facial attractiveness went up, then once you reach HTN it plateaus, and starts to DIP once you get any higher in attractiveness.
Blackpill would die, it would become consensus that good looking people = shallow, and that personality is actually king.
Incels.is and looksmax.org would become ghost towns overnight.
Replaced with personalitycels.is and personalitymaxx.org
Whyy the Blackpill is true: the top 1% of men get 20% of the tinder likes, and the top 5% get 80% of the likes.
Why the IQpill is true: Top 1% of men get.. less income than the top 5.1-10%??
So, it isn't true at all then.
There is no "too attractive pentalty" in life.
The ones you see that are "too attractive" are freakish men with weirdly big jaws, who in turn, because of their uncanniness, are not attractive.
There IS a "too smart penalty" in life.
You might be wondering "well then, why would I not just want to be in this 'Goldilocks' zone of IQ?" But this is not what IQ copers believe. They
do not argue that 125 IQ = the best. They argue that the higher the IQ = the better the life. Do you really think any one who argues IQ is an
important thing would be happier to get 125 as an IQ result than 170? They would kill you, and burn your family alive, for a 170 IQ official test result.
And anyone who tells you whether or not you have 125 IQ is more important than the way you look is a retard.
US income by Race and Attractiveness
Comparing US income vs Tinder likes
not to be confused with US NETWORTH. It would look different as the top 1% of americans own 30% of the networth, for tinder it's top 1% gets 20% of the tinder likes.
But, for tinder, the top 5% get 80% of the likes, whilst for networth, it's top 10% own 2/3rds of the networth.
Interesting
data showing that the top half [not including the top 10%] of students get lower grades than the bottom half [not including the bottom 5%] but the top 10% get higher grades than the bottom half [again, not including the bottom%]
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Anyone who has enough experience here will tell you, someone who has the ability to ascend to Chad is much rarer than Chad himself.Someone who can ascend to Chadlite is much rarer than Chadlite himself.
And yes, someone who can ascend to HTN is rarer than HTN himself, someone who can ascend to MTN is rarer than MTN himself, and so on.
Arguing that IQ is anywhere near the top 5 most important variables because of the off chance someone might be born with both the base to reach a
certain rating and the IQ necessary to pull an ascension off [which is retarded because looksmaxxing isn't exactly rocket science] is like
arguing having insanely beautiful feet is the most important attribute because of the off chance you can get scouted out by a foot modeling
agency and become a multimillionaire overnight from your lucrative foot modeling career.
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"I mean.. It's not exactly brain surgery is it."
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In college I must lie to all my classmates that I always have a girlfriend, and that I am going out with my friends every other day, despite the fact that I only have a girlfriend for 1/3rd of the time I actually say I do, and that I only go out with friends once every 2 weeks.
Why?
Well, social proof is the strongest way to nullify your Neurodivergency. There is no true way and there will never be a true way to mask your ND, the best you can do is to do small things to nullify it to give yourself some leeway, in the hopes that instead of them thinking "there's something wrong with this kid" when one of my aspie attributes leak out, something so immeasurable and unquantifiable - a small micro-expression, the way I talk, the way I move my hands or blink, they will instead subconsciously think "well, he has lots of friends who go out with him alot and he has a GF, so maybe he's just quirky."
If I had low IQ, I would just have to study a bit harder.
To not repeat what I've said in my 'Autism deducts 1.25/10' thread, I will not talk about Autism but general Neurodivergency.
Ugly fuck on left, looks NeuroTypical as fuck, cancels it out.
Many people have told me that after ascending, they were utterly shocked at how easy it was to get girls. How available girls made themselves and how seamless it was to get with them, like a hot knife cutting butter.
Being Neurotypical is the same, but for making friends instead.
There is no such thing as being shy in NT's world, shyness is the brain's natural reaction to not getting accepted, the same way how it's the hand's natural reaction to pull away after touching a hot stove. There is no such thing as having people not accept you, there is no such thing as being wrongfully socially persecuted, these things are as foreign to the Neurotypical as the age of consent is to Japan.
Thisis universal, NDs will rage at the fact that NTs don't accept them, that NTs are INFERIOR [the "NPC/Normie" cope] because of their lack of empathy and understanding to NDs. This comes with the assumption that being ND removes the attribute of having an innate avoidance for ND people. Why is this cope?
Neurodivergent people hate each other. They can't stand each other, they too possess the attribute of having an innate avoidance for ND people, they only reason they hang out with each other is because they're forced to. Get any person who is super ND and hangs out mainly with other ND people, if they had NT people hanging around them and accepting them growing up, they would probably be MORE hateful towards NDs than NTs themselves.
Being NT = universal acceptance, from everybody.
Ofcourse, this comes with caveats. What's your race? How ugly are you? Do you have a disability? Do you have low social proof? Sometimes, if you're NT, people will still naturally dislike you and have it out for you, hate you.
The best way to compare the impact of 2 variables is by imagine having one but not the other.
Is it worth it?
Is it worth being able to do maths faster, being able to figure out problems others can't, with less context clues. Being able to make better decisions that aren't immediately obvious to anyone, and in return, get outcasted during your vital social development years, gaining a huge risk of getting bullied, and over a 40% of being a virgin
by adulthood? [12% for NT's]
The only possible way a mentally stable functioning human being would say yes, that all this is worth it for muh IQ points, is if IQ is literally all they had in life to cope, and cope they will.
I could bring up alot of studies proving how bad being ND is, but alot of them relate to ASD, so to not parrot my thread [already linked above] I
will just link this incels.is thread that does the job the thread and I don't have an .is account before I get accused of being incel
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We have discussed the importance of social proof in the previous chapter, but here we will go on a deeper dive.
I have spoken to many people in this community before they got well known on tiktok, and beforehand, they were just normal guys, insecure teens rotting in their bedrooms talking about male aesthetics on private
servers and discord calls.
Then, after the fame hits, I talk to them, they don't know it's me as I'm on an alt, or they act like they don't recognize me on my main, and they ignore me. You notice they only really reply to the other people who are
also getting thousands of likes on edits made on them by randoms.
I could name half a dozen PSLers, users of this forum, who have done this, infact, it would be easier to name people who HAVEN'T done this, and the only one who comes to mind is. Why do they do this? Why do they feel like they're so entitled?
Well, because they are entitled. Every single one of them was in the right.
When they became known, when they managed to make people move through social media, even if it's nothing compared to the fame A-list Hollywood
celebrities wield, they became better than me, atleast socially. They had power, lets take a very famous [for this niche] person who posts on
this forum, Clavicular. Do you think if he went on stream and told his viewers to harass some random guy, that guy wouldn't get harassed for
months? Hundreds of his thousands of viewers would get up and harass that guy over and over, simply because a well known person online
told them to. The most he'd get is a week ban from Kick. That is a sort of power you cannot wield with IQ, that is a sort of power you can only
wield with fame, looks, financial power or real power. [such as a
position in government]
You could make the argument that with intelligence you could reach that level of financial power, real power, or fame.
Financial power takes years to accumulate, if you think otherwise, you're either delusional and have no money, or got extremely lucky.
Real power also takes years to accumulate, inb4 cope about how someone could read a terrorist manual and make a bomb, that doesn't give you the power to move people. Fame can be instant, and can last a lifetime.
You could argue you could get fame if you had the IQ to accumulate it, no you can't, for fame you need a personality, a personality that is either
picked for you by some sort of social media manager, or a personality you're simply born with and happen to gain due to your genetic
predispositions and how people treat you due to the circumstance in which you are born with, and you don't need IQ for both.
Clavicular, our example, only got fame because of his personality, and his looks, which were born genetic.
Water, though, that there is no fame for your face, but there is fame for your IQ.
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Easy section, I don't even have to bring out any studies for this one, which you think I would, I just simply have to ask.
Top 1% Networth or IQ?
In the U.S.A. top 1% IQ is 135
In the U.S.A. top 1% networth is $11.6 million to $13.7 million [minimum entry [yes, seriously]]
Which would you rather have?
"I would simply pick the IQ, then use that IQ to make more than that by the time I'm 40"
No no no, we already debunked that cope in the IQ vs Looks chapter.
If 3 million out of that 11.6-13.7 million dollars was in cash [big if], you could put all that money in the bank, and live off the interest earning 120,000 a year.
Top 0.0002% Networth or IQ?
170 IQ or $47 million networth
If you pick the networth, you're right.
If you pick the IQ, you're also right, since you actually do need the IQ points if you deadass picked it, utter retard.
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I believe IQ matters. I believe Race matters. I believe Looks matter, I believe Personality matters, I believe NT/ND Status matters, I believe Height matters, I believe the sound of your Voice matters, I believe location matters, I believe Social status matters, I believe Financial status matters, I believe Occupation matters, I believe Health matters, I believe your biological Sex matters.
IQ matters
Everything matters.
IQ is not insignificant, nothing is, but for IQ, it really is ONE OF the most important variables.
I just don't believe it's in the top 10
And I DEFINITELY don't believe it's in the top 5.
I will end this thread with something I have said in a previous one,
Higher IQ does correlate with higher salary.
Higher IQ does correlate with higher happiness.
Higher IQ does correlate with Higher empathy.
But so does all the other variables I mentioned, and they make more of an impact.
And
no, you are not a misunderstood 170 IQ genius rotting on a forum of people stupider than you, with your genius just waiting to shine upon all of us once you decide to try. You will end up a 40 yr old internet
rotter if you keep thinking like this.
What is the third reason why people over value IQ?
Because people in this forum constantly overrate it for the other 2 reasons.
Smart at first sight
https://news.st-andrews.ac.uk/long-reads/smart-at-first-sight/
Swedish data
https://academic.oup.com/esr/article/39/5/820/7008955
Dating app data
Tinders user's statistics
IQ % calculations
https://www.edubloxtutor.com/iq-test-scores/
Wage % calculations
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/WFRBLTP1311
Theother pieces of data I reference are not important enough to the thread where I can be bothered to find the links as I'm at the end, just reverse image search niggas
INB4 SEMANTICS FROM IQ COPERS
INB4 COPE ABOUT HOW YOU CAN'T APPRECIATE MUH ART OR PHILOSOPHY OR HIGH IQ MUSIC
NOBODY CARES
woah, GIGA TRIPLY MIGGLE MIRIN THIS, wish would donate to you all my coins but i need em, keep up the good work and you might steal my first place at good thread posting!
first place on being a gay ethniccel maybe
holy fucking thread, im gonna read ts and then call u a retard. wait 10 minutes
It's been 20
im trying to secure a slay with this mtb let me cook
Did you succeed
foids are evil creatures
i wont elaborate more for political reasons
all 5 of those can be associated with higher iq, if your high iq its more likely you are White, rich, healthy, and high status.
have you even read this post, CLERLY FUCKING NOT. All the lowiq points you made i addressed already in this post. I am gonna reply to this post later debunking and iqmogging every single argument you shat in here.
